Let’s Talk About… ‘Justice League’ (2017)

The time has finally arrived. The DCEU is either ALL IN or ALL BUST.

After the mixed reception Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Suicide Squad received, despite box office success, DC Films finally struck gold with Wonder Woman. But one film in development long before Wonder Woman‘s release was Justice League and now we’re going to see just exactly what type of film it is.

Zack Snyder shot the majority of the film before stepping down due to a family tragedy leaving Joss Whedon to finish reshoots. The latest trailers have shown more color and humor more in line with WW than BvS. Is DC Films finally learning from their mistakes, or is this another troubled mess?

Personally, I don’t mind the darker, grittier tales DC focuses on. The Dark Knight Trilogy is a masterpiece in cinema. However, Superman didn’t need that treatment. He’s supposed to be a beacon of hope. While Batman and the Suicide Squad work in this atmosphere, certain characters suffer under the darker vision. Wonder Woman seemed to have found the right blend in the formula, so here’s hoping that the DC Extended Universe finds renewed success. After all, what fun is a one-sided argument? You need competition to survive.


So, what did you think of Justice League?

  • Was it everything you hoped for?
  • Which character was the MVP of the film?
  • Is it blatantly obvious which director shot which scenes?
  • Where does it rank alongside the other four DCEU films?
  • Finally, do you want to see these characters go “ALL IN” again in a sequel?

  • Killsqu4d

    Interesting!

  • SAVAGE

  • New look is a definite plus. And yes. Suit looks good. Anything above the neck was garbage.

  • I also thought his eyepatch was wonky. But I’m nitpicking.

    I need to see more of Eisenberg’s Luthor 2.0, but I do like his new look.

  • Uh what about when he saved Hawkeye from death! /s

  • God Stepenwolf was a CGI mess. Would have rather seen prosthetic makeup with minimal CGI used like Marvel does with Vision.

  • DCEU nails casting. They just can’t fricken write a story.

  • I like that Lex Luther is more comic accurate but they still showed signs of the BvS portrayal. It’s a good mix. Deathstroke looked good until we saw his bleached hair. Good god they looked like frosted tips. Smh

  • Definitely cool. I wanted to say that some of the other hinted characters are popular DC characters. I want to say Hercules but I feel he’s Marvel. I don’t think it’s Zeus

  • Justice League is definitely #2 for me. WW, JL, BvS, MoS, SS

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Says the guy making a few last parting shots on his way out the door. Adios, indeed.

  • 1 2 3 4

    This is going nowhere, we clearly don’t understand each other, but at least I tried. Hope the satisfaction of pwning someone in a comment section tides you over till the next time someone else comes along and knocks that chip off your shoulder.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    If you wanted to understand my point of view, you went about it the wrong way.

  • Manuel Orozco

    Suit yourself

  • King Alvarez

    the more I think about it I’m changing my ranking…
    1) Man of Steel
    3) Justice League
    3) Wonder Woman
    4) BVS: Dawn of Justice
    5) Suicide Squad

    I realized WW was more hype and kind of overrated on second viewing.

  • 1 2 3 4

    Whoo boy, I didn’t think an honest (but admittedly obsessive) interest in understanding a point of view I disagree would devolve into this pointless shoving match. Why else would I bring this up? Is wanting to justify one’s opinion really the only explanation? Isn’t wanting to hear people’s thoughts on it (whether for or against) also valid? But alright, I understand if you don’t want to explain your opinion. I don’t come here to fight with people like this, it’s one of the reasons I’m happy we’re not longer at /Film. My bad for bringing them up.

  • Manuel Orozco

    Glad to hear that

  • King Alvarez

    That is pretty much my assessment of the DCEU too.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    You clearly do need to justify yourself to someone. Why else would you bring up the /film guy’s remarks in your comment at the top just to trash him as “self-hating”? Or have a back and forth with me? And in case you missed it, I stated up at the top that this was my opinion.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I don’t need to justify myself to you, there’s nothing to justify. I’m not looking for your approval, I’m looking to understand where you’re coming from and you can’t pay me the compliment of believing I’m being sincere in that. Why do I care so much? I dunno, I guess it nags me when someone states a point like it’s an obvious fact when it really isn’t.

    You say that The context and degree in the comparisons I’mtrying to draw are nowhere near the same yet don’t bother to explain how.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    You want to challenge my opinion to justify something you like under the guise of trying to understand my point of view. That’s pussyfooting. The upskirt shots titillate you. That’s fine. I don’t care for them. The context and degree in the comparisons you’re trying to draw are nowhere near the same. This seems to mean a lot to you. I’m not sure why.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I’m not pussyfooting, I thought that was pretty clear. Is it that shocking that a heterosexual man enjoys shots of attractive women?Now, about that false equivalence…

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Just say you like the wonder woman upskirt shots. Don’t pussyfoot around.

  • Lol

  • *slow clap*

  • 1 2 3 4

    Fine then, show me the way. Please explain how it’s a false equivalence because I don’t see it.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Then you are truly lost.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I don’t think it’s false equivalence but I’d like to hear why you think it is.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Are you actually defending the upskirt shots by drawing a false equivalence? Or are you going to ask me what I thought about every shot in the movie?

  • Killsqu4d

    Interesting

  • Manuel Orozco

    Again it is just my opinion

  • Killsqu4d

    MoS øver JL?

  • 1 2 3 4

    Ok, what did you think of Aquaman and Superman’s topless shots?

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Not as gratuitous but still distasteful, imo.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I missed that bit with the Flash, it was easy to get distracted with this movie. But I think the shots in question are very far away from Michael Bay levels of blunt sexy shots.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I didn’t like it. I rolled my eyes. Same as with the Flash on top of Wonder Woman bit. That’s too Michael Bay for me.

  • Manuel Orozco

    To each their own

  • For me it’s
    WW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SS >>> MoS >>>>> BvS

  • Manuel Orozco

    That’s good to hear my friend. DCEU loved to least liked so far in my opinion are
    1) Wonder Woman
    2) Man of Steel
    3) Justice League
    4) BVS: Dawn of Justice
    5) Suicide Squad

  • Killsqu4d

    Might check it this winter

  • Killsqu4d

    Lmao Blu-ray

  • 1 2 3 4

    What are your thoughts on that? Because it was apparently too much for the poor self-hating critic of /Film writer.

  • 1 2 3 4

    It has its moments, like glimpses of something better.

  • 1 2 3 4

    Sorry to bring up DPR/ but I just have to shake my head at their writer’s review of Justice League.”

    “here she does little more than strike cool poses with her shield, get saddled with painfully flat dialogue and be the subject of constant upskirt shots from directors Zack Snyder and Joss Whedon. We get it – Gadot is a very attractive woman, but the male gaze has never felt more obvious and unnecessary than it does here”

    I just can’t imagine what it must be like to feel so guilty for being attracted to women and appreciating an attractive woman.

  • I really liked it, even if I saw it on torrent (uuuuhhh… I mean Blue-Ray!) after all the hype.
    Two perfectly cast leads with great chemistry, a well done origin story we haven’t seen before for a character we haven’t seen before, actual heroism in a superhero movie, cool action, funny and natural dialogue….

    With all that it’s not hard to forgive the last 10, 15 minutes, whether you’re a biased critic who gets tricked into thinking that this is a necessary stepping point for woman everywhere or not.

  • It’s a complete mess of a movie, but myself and several others still had fun just with the characters alone. You can do worse than give it a try.

  • Killsqu4d

    I’ve heard lol

  • You’re not missing much

  • Killsqu4d

    Agreed. That and his race with Superman

  • Indianamcclain

    That was probably my favorite Flash moment in the film.

  • Killsqu4d

    Same here. Found out about it

  • Killsqu4d

    They hand waved indeed. I saw it a month and a half after everyone else so the hype threw me off when I saw the finished product. Not a bad movie by any means

  • I like Jay, he’s more the straight man but he still offers interesting opinions and insight, and he bounces well of the rest.
    In general I have no fatigue from their content, they are still consistently great. In this one I particularly liked the conversation about the different studios and their plans at 27:50 here.

  • David Curry

    I liked seeing a hopelessly naive Diana (ok a little too childish at times), observing the world as it is instead of how we’re conditioned to see it. It was actually a good contrast to MoS Clark who was conditioned to see the world in a certain way. Better writing in this entire franchise would have done a better job of tying those character arcs together.
    I agree that the critical praise was overblown (critics hand-waved the villain’s Terminator Salvation-esque plot and that cg trainwreck of a final fight), but not by much.

  • David Curry

    As time goes on, I can only tolerate Mike/Mr. Plinkett’s well-thought-out take on movies. Jay is really one-note and sounds like every website comment section out there (not you guys, really)

  • Manuel Orozco

    I’ve been going on here since summer

  • Killsqu4d

    That’s cool man lol I was suprised to see you here

  • Killsqu4d

    Yeah man personally I think it got its championing for several reasons(female director broke gross records, first leading female superhero movie in decades, feminism) but once you dissected the story it was predictable(Ares reveal, Trevor’s death and kiss, etc.) and nothing new. It was hailed and Bandwagoned by Hollywood actors for that sole reason. I still liked the movie but it was overhyped too much ruined the experience for me personally

  • Wait, so Wonder Woman is at the bottom of the DCEU for you? Talk about contrarian

  • Manuel Orozco

    Yes sir

  • Killsqu4d

    Manuel!! You come here too??

  • Killsqu4d

    You’ll enjoy it 🙂

  • Killsqu4d

    I still haven’t seen suicide squad to this day lmao I don’t know why

  • Killsqu4d

    Not even when he tipped Diana’s sword in slow motion towards her hand?

  • Killsqu4d

    You’re right that wasn’t for a role purely personal health reasons

  • Killsqu4d

    And I liked how it wasn’t spoiled by the trailers either

  • Killsqu4d

    MVP in terms of character alone would have to be Flash. I like his bubbly newcomer shtick. Despite his dad being locked up.

    I’d love to see them go ALL IN in a sequel, which would hopefully adapt the Tower of Babel plotline.

    This is #1 film in the DCEU for me, I liked it more than Wonder Woman. #2 would be Man of Steel and #3 BvS

  • I loved the Green Lantern cameo during the battle when Diana is telling the story of Steppenwolfs first battle

  • Go see it.

  • About those after-credits scenes I can’t believe plastic-zombie-Superman even showed up in the mid-credits sequence. The Flash race was a cute nod, but you’d think they would’ve limited Cavill’s face CG as much as possible (granted, I’m told that I notice stuff like that too much). As for the final scene, for a second I thought the dude in Lex’ cell was a recast, or Martian Manhunter or something. I almost think it’s worse that they’re trying to turn Eisenberg’s Luthor into a more traditional portrayal. It’s like telling Jim Carrey’s Riddler to be more subdued. They’ve gone too far at this point. And I thought Deathstroke looked pretty ridiculous. The comic-accurate costumes don’t always translate.

  • TheGreenMalice

    Josh, you are alright. I know I was being aggressive towards you, I just really wanted to get the point across that no one here should post rumors as fact. Especially in cases like this.

    I know it’s fun sometimes to run with rumors about films, and stars quitting and shit, but things like this could really hurt people and families. I doubt Whedon is reading or anything like that, but you should just try not to fuel the fire on something that isn’t proven or factual.

  • TheGreenMalice

    Josh, I still feel like you are missing a part of the point. I don’t give two shits about peoples feelings. The accusations can ruin a person’s life. fuck feelings, some of these things can destroy peoples lives.

  • Manuel Orozco

    My bad

  • Larry Version 3

    Damn internet. Makes me paranoid 😉

  • Manuel Orozco

    I’m not I mean it

  • Larry Version 3

    Ohhh I just realised what you were talking about. I didn’t stick around for the credits because my bladder was ready to burst

  • Indianamcclain

    Deathstroke especially looked like a a character from a video game.

  • Larry Version 3

    They definitely found a good tone.
    The only thing that really let the movie down for me was the special effects. I haven’t seen green screen that bad since ‘The Walking Dead’ Season 7 and they were on a TV budget.

  • Larry Version 3

    Yeah those reshoots really showed. I’m sure Cavill is dying inside as he sees the critiques regarding his unholy face changes but its inevitable. It was disgusting.
    My girlfriend loves everything about the guy and even she was repulsed.

  • Larry Version 3

    Injustice 1 beta testing gameplay lol.
    Cavill looked like the shitty DLC version of JL Superman you’d see on the mobile version.

  • Larry Version 3

    I cant tell if you’re being sarcastic 😉 but I feel like it could have been a perfect opportunity to do something unique in that regard. With the previous 2 entries that Snyder has helmed he’s attempted some more unique stuff with the genre, despite the films flaws, and really did manage to build something interesting (if you ignore his ignorance of the source material).
    A film where the focus is on the loss of Superman and about how it impacts the rest of the world could have been both artistic, somber and optimistic depending on how it was written
    I guess it would be too much to ask for them to ignore the ‘compulsory’ villain aspect lol.

  • dnwilliams

    I liked the “save one person” sequence, it was a nice character moment in a movie desperately reaching for them.

  • his face was all botched up by CGI

    I can’t remember the last time I was so taken out of a movie. His face was nightmare fuel.

  • I thought JK took an interview where he said he was just focusing on his health when he took the role (i.e. it wasn’t related to Gordon), but I could be wrong.

  • ResonanceCascade

    They missed a huge opportunity by not making him say “boop.”

  • ResonanceCascade

    Yeah, Affleck did not seem like he wanted to be there. It’s too bad, because he nailed the physicality of the character. He’s really like a Miller drawing come to life.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    Im going to keep an open mind and I jumped the gun way too early and jumped to conclusions and misjudged Joss Whedon on a Youtube video and everyone hates me now because of that.
    I Did Something Bad even badder than Taylor Swift.
    My reputation never’s been worse until now.
    Jokes aside I need to see a movie before I criticize a director and I went way too hard on Joss Whedon and I should of just stayed out of it if I knew that it was really bad and that everyone would destroy me when I did this.
    Next time im staying out of this until I have concrete evidence.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ffed66b31315369022aa69382450acd4b3bfc23f142d43288dcbac201098e32.jpg

    Glad you like it so much. I came away optimistic because, like you said, I think they found their footing.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Keep an open mind and remember to have fun but wait weren’t you criticizing Josh Whedon for things in the movie but how could that be if you haven’t even seen it omg Josh omfg!!

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Definitely Ezra Miller. And Cyborg. And Cavill. And Gadot.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Man of Steel is the best or second best DCEU movie for me. People take their nitpicks too far with that one and act like it’s horrible.

    Maybe I’m being too hard on this movie. After all my criticism, I still think I’d give it a C+ or a B-. Whenever I saw Affleck, I saw a guy looking for the exit. I think my view was skewed because of his recent comments about leaving the DCEU. He did seem to be less interesting than the rest of the League.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    Or just a Joss Whedon hater mixed with a triggered feminist trying too hard to follow controversy.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    “My issue has to do with people laying them out like they are facts before anything has been proven. I always want to lean to the victims side personally, but I try to keep an even stance until there is proof.”
    I am going to follow your advice and stay out of it until there is proof and evidence and so that I won’t hurt anyones feelings in the process.
    I learned my lesson and next time im staying out of it until I have proof.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    I should of known better than to believe a Youtube video as they are heavily biased and are very manipulating.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    I know what I did was wrong and I already apologized and I should not have used someone else’s opinion as fact and not trust everything on the internet. Sailor and DBMI already went through with me on this today. I doubt Joss Whedon is reading this but if he is than im sorry to him and the people who also had to read this. Im sick and I was not thinking at all what I was saying and I should think before I post and I was too sick to realize that. Im never going to do something like this again and I learned my lesson
    “As a journalist/writer, your duty should be to lay out the facts. You are not the judge or jury.”
    Your right I should stay out of it until we have evidence or multiple people come out against him and that video was agenda based and I love Whedon I truly do and hope this movie will suceed and I should just sit the fuck down and chill as I know nothing but I think I know everything.
    I don’t mind the blog generation but I hate vlogs in general as they are so lazy and boring. I hate the new cringy generation as well. Humans have feelings and emotions and I shouldn’t have said those things again im sorry and hey tommorow will be a much better day anyway.

  • Indianamcclain

    True, even the Quicksilver in Age of Ultron didn’t have a standout moment. I think the best moment with Flash was when he pushed the sword towards Wonder Woman.

  • dnwilliams

    I don’t know how they would’ve done that without doing a straight lift.

  • Indianamcclain

    Agreed about The Flash. I wasn’t waiting for him to have a standout moment like Quicksilver but it never came.

  • sailor monsoon

    I couldn’t find any other source to collaborate the accusations.
    The video sends to be nothing more than a smear campaign.

  • TheGreenMalice

    That’s probably on me. I doubt I actually read any of the articles about him getting ripped. All the headlines alluded to it being for this film though, and they may have been tongue in cheek.

  • TheGreenMalice

    I think the one of the biggest failings was that we didn’t get more screen time with The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. I think the film would have benefited greatly if we got to know them more.

  • Manuel Orozco

    How come I never thought of an intimate blockbuster with the team coming together? That sounds like it would have been a refreshing approach.

  • TheGreenMalice

    I watched 15 seconds of that video he posted before realizing it’s agenda driven.

    I want to reiterate, if any accusations end up being true, it’e heinous. My issue has to do with people laying them out like they are facts before anything has been proven. I always want to lean to the victims side personally, but I try to keep an even stance until there is proof.

  • Manuel Orozco

    Trust me I really enjoyed it

  • Manuel Orozco

    Justice League had minor tone inconsistency and not so noticeable behind the scenes issues. However, the movie had plenty of visually slick action scenes and not too much Avengers deja vu. Each of the heroes had their moments to shine particularly with Wonder Woman, Cyborg and the Flash. Steppenwolf should have relied on a more acting performance & clear motivation and not too much CGI. In terms of the DCEU, JL is on par with BVS and Sucide Squad but MOS and WW are the best so far in the series. 4/5 stars

  • King Alvarez

    It was an ok movie. Better than BvS and SS, but it all feels rushed and haphazard. I do like their casting overall. The Flash is pretty entertaining.

  • Aftwr our long video chat lol. You’re doing well, Josh.

  • ResonanceCascade

    That’s actually my least favorite Marvel studios movie ever (still better than BvS though). I was thinking like Iron Man 3.

  • Indianamcclain

    So about on the level of Thor The Dark World for you?

  • sailor monsoon

    Yes he does

  • sailor monsoon

    He watched a video on YouTube and decided to treat it as gospel

  • ResonanceCascade

    I had heard the The Flash was great, and he mostly was, but Cyborg was a very pleasant surprise. He nailed the “tortured genius who never asked for this” bit.

  • Indianamcclain

    He was getting ripped for another film. For some reason people just assumed that it was for Justice League.

  • ResonanceCascade

    Wow, I haven’t seen Wonder Woman or Suicide Squad yet, but I’d put this above Man of Steel and about twenty pegs above BvS.

    I didn’t think the interpersonal drama really worked and Affleck was pretty bad, and the villain and third act were both generic, but other than than those qualms, I dug it. Solid B- from me.

  • TheGreenMalice

    How do you know it’s true? The accusations you are making could really fuck up someones life. As a journalist/writer, your duty should be to lay out the facts. You are not the judge or jury.

    I fucking hate this blog/vlog generation. They run with whatever is most controversial, and forget that actual humans are involved. If the accusations are true, it’s heinous. But Jesus FUCKING Christ, YOU do not know if they are… so sit the fuck down and chill.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I actually thought this movie was pretty decent. Like mid-pack Marvel movie quality. And just like Marvel, they can’t figure out how to make an interesting villain or make the third act something more than a big blue and orange CGI cartoon fight.

  • TheGreenMalice

    It was watchable, but forgettable. A bunch of people applauded when Supes showed up, and at the end. I didn’t understand the vested enthusiasm that they had.

    Wasn’t JK getting ripped for this film? What happened with that? The Flash, WW, and Cyborg are the MVPs of the film. The Flash has a tough time since Fox did so well with Quicksilver. X-Men’s use of speed is much more interesting.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    You don’t need to tell me im wrong when I know im wrong.

  • As a life long DC fanboy that hated BvS and Suicide Squad… And tolerated MoS… I really enjoyed Justice League. I think they found their footing. I give it 9/10. Will watch again.

  • You’re wrong.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    Seeing it tommorow.
    Hopefully it’s at least ok.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    Keep all the actors playing in this movie as they are all great and deserve their own films.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    Mission Impossible 6 forced him to keep the mustache on and wow that looks awful!

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    So does the flash cleavage joke and the aquaman joke and the forced Batman and WW romance!

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    Ratner was creepy to her in WW which got him fired.
    Whedon is doing the same thing in JL.
    Unfortunately it’s true and I feel so bad for Gal Gadot as she has to deal with this. Don’t listen to the lies everyone says saying im a liar what im saying is true and what they are telling you are lies!
    Open your mind and you will find that im right.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    You don’t believe me? Watch this video and it will make more sense.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySK1xcvElIo
    Joss Whedon’s WW script is so sexist and you may not like the truth but it’s unfortunately true.
    This guy has the brains of a teenager.

  • David Curry

    JL was like a grade school kid talking fast as hell through a book report speech, then running back to their desk. Maybe the inevitable extended edition, with all the scenes in the trailers that were MIA in the theater cut, will make a better impression. Other than the extreme pacing, and Elfman’s muzak score, it was okay but forgettable.

  • Anything is better than this. Forcing a shared universe that no one in their right mind has any affection for and squandering amazing characters is unforgivable.

    I wish they would make SHAZAM entirely standalone, make Matt Reeve’s The Batman a reboot (which they might have to), actually do that batshit sounding Elseworlds Joker movie and Red Son and just focus on making a single decent film that resonates.

    Despite the reception to Wondy, it isn’t a patch on Nolan’s Dsrk Knight trilogy or most Marvel films. It was just a relief it was okay. The whole endeavour is so frustrating it drives me nuts.

  • Indianamcclain

    I just wish DC and Marvel Studios would focus their time and energy into making great movies, fuck the Cinematic Universe shit. It’s played out.

  • Indianamcclain

    There were points where I almost felt like I was looking at gameplay for Injustice.

  • Indianamcclain

    Cavill looked so weird in the film. I didn’t know about the CG mustache thing until after I saw the film.

  • Indianamcclain

    Overall it was ok. It definitely felt uneven for the most part. Steppenwolf was whatever. Wasn’t a fan of following the random family at wherever that was supposed to be. The whole thing with the boxes didn’t completely make sense. I didn’t really understand what they did, or how they empowered Steppenwolf (Though to be fair I don’t really understand what the cosmic cube is either). Also, it felt like chunks of the film were missing. When Cyborg left the Nightwalker (Worst onscreen Bat-Vehicle yet imo) the scene just cut then all of a sudden the League was on top of a building talking to Commissioner Gordon. Also, if you go back to the trailers there are shots in there that aren’t in the final film.

    Those problems aside I liked Ezra Miller’s Flash. He was more enjoyable for me than Grant Gustin’s Flash, not that that’s saying much. Superman in the third act was awesome. Cavill finally felt like the classic Supes that we all know, and love. Gal Gadot was still great as Wonder Woman as well. I’m still kinda iffy on Cyborg, and Aquaman. Batman was just there. He didn’t really stand out in this film like he did in BvS. It’s hard to put my finger on.

    It was definitely better than BvS, but I think I enjoyed Suicide Squad, and Man of Steel a bit more. Even comparing to the Marvel films it feels like it’s about on the same level of Age of Ultron for me. A bit of a mess, but not the train wreck that BvS was.

  • Larry Version 3

    Okay I’ve watching it now and I can say that I actually left the theatre smiling for some reason. That doesn’t mean I loved it though. I enjoyed the team dynamic. The first hour as they built up the characters and brought the team together was really good imo. But there were still some negatives.

    But Superman was a massive disappointment. His character did a massive heel turn and changed completely while wasting the arc of growth and development that Snyder had started from MoS to BvS. And his face was all botched up by CGI lol.

    The villain and plot was paper thing and virtually might as well have not been there. I would have rathered there was no villain. It could have spent more time organically bringing the characters together and dealing with a world without Superman. A more intimate big blockbuster team up would be interesting imo.

    And the last issue was the swarm of CGI and greenscreen that slapped you in the face. It felt like I was watching high-budget Speed Racer and that’s not a good thing.

    …why did I love this as much as I did? O_O

    I rate it 7/10 overall lol. I’m sure that will drop down with repeated viewings.

  • Tanis11

    Wait, what? Is there any truth to this? I thought it was Ratner.

  • I mean what? C’mon Josh. Get it together.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    The wonder woman upskirt shot makes sense now.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    The whole cast has said they didn’t want his version of the script but they were forced to deal with it and also there is a flash falling on her rack and it’s a body double meaning Gal Gadot was disgusted and didn’t want to film that nasty scene.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I think the best option at this point would be to scrap the shared universe and take what works moving forward. Keep Gal Gadot (and possibly Ezra Miller) and let the movies be self-contained films by distinctive directors. Give Lord and Miller or Edgar Wright a film and actually let them make it.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Oh and the thing with the Flash…amazing.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

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    I thought this was worse than Suicide Squad and I rank that as the worst DCEU movie. This whole thing is a real damn shame because there’s so much potential and you can see it in moments here and there but this movie looked and felt like a mess, even thought the characters feel like they’re on the right track more or less.

    About the story, I have a pretty decent knowledge of the dc universe–I didn’t know who Steppenwolf was before going in, though–and I still don’t. Where is he from exactly, why did he want to conquer earth, how did he transform and into what exactly did he transform , where did he go when he initially lost and who was keeping track of what Kryptonians were alive and dead…? There sure as hell weren’t any Kryptons protecting Earth before Superman (or were they? If yes, that opens up more questions). It’s just all so confusing.

    I cut BvS a lot of slack because, ultimately, I thought there was more
    good than bad to that movie. When I think of Justice League, it feels
    there’s more bad than good. At least the characters they got more or less right. I feel more optimistic about where they’ll head individually. Cyborg was a standout to me. Superman feels a little brighter. Flash was great and the scenes with his father had real heart (Billy Crudup was tremendous for the small amount of screentime he had). Scenes like the race at the end give me some optimism about the direction of the DCEU. I’m trying to stay positive but I’m tired of getting burned by DC.

    I haven’t read a whole lot about the production, but I think there were Darkseid stuff cut out by Whedon. It does feel odd he doesn’t really come up in this movie. Steppenwolf quickly said his name but if you’re not aware of who that is, how are you supposed to know what that means? These movies need to be more friendly to a general audience.

    And the little of Atlantis they showed off in this movie has me fearing the worst for Aquaman. A significant amount of plot underwater seems like it’ll be hard to watch.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    STAY OUT OF THIS THREAD! GOOD LUCK THOUGH! WHY AM I YELLING?!

  • It was shambolic. Why can’t they put this abortive attempt at a shared universe behind them already?

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Dude, there is nothing to suggest any inpropriety from Whedon on the set of Justice League…

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m going to see it tomorrow. Wish me luck.

  • Joshua Martyniouk

    I feel so bad for Gal Gadot she puked so much while filming this movie and had to deal with Whedon’s pevertedness while pregnant!
    She does not deserve to do this to herself.

  • Larry Version 3

    Going to see it in an hour and a half actually. I’m keeping the bar real low though haha. I enjoyed BvS for its complexities but I can’t imagine this having any.

  • Feel free to try to convince me that the movie has some kind of heart and soul to it and I just might give it a go after all.

  • Justice League feels and sounds just as desperate as the rest of the DCEU, with the studio having imposed a back-to-basics approach to try to course-correct, from the overdone “superheroes learning to work as a team” premise, to the lighter humorous tone a la Marvel, to the shorter run-time…

    Right from the get-go, this franchise was forced into existence and I still don’t see any compelling reason for it to exist on it’s own right.

  • sailor monsoon