Let’s Talk About… ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ (2017)

Episode VIII is in theaters today! Star Wars: The Last Jedi is certified fresh with some reviewers calling it the best Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back!

So let’s talk about The Last Jedi down in the comments. Here’s some talking points to get the conversation started:

  • Who was your favorite new character?
  • Best moment in the film?
  • Biggest twist or shock?
  • Least favorite moment?
  • What did you think of Rian Johnson’s directorial skills on this film?
  • Mark Hamill returning as Luke Skywalker?
  • Are you already hyped for Episode IX?

  • TheDeadFellow

    The lightsaber fight they have together is practically the closest thing we’ll see to a sex scene in the entire series. She even grabs his goddamn thigh in the middle of all of this!

  • William Dhalgren

    HATE

  • Ouch. My comment (the newest one way up at the top) shares my thoughts. I didn’t mind it (tad too long) but the ending has me at :/ over you know who

  • William Dhalgren

    Definitely not now. The feeling I have settled on for Rian Johnson’s abortion is hate.

  • I take it you are not a fan of the sequel trilogy?

  • YADa yada YADA spoilers Star Wars you’ve all seen it so here I go….

    Seeing TLJ so late makes you go in with preconceived feelings. I originally saw a comment somewhere that said “liked the Thrawn cameo” so I half expected Thrawn to show up as a twist. When Rey had that glass mirror moment and a figure was walking up I thought “THRAWN” but then nope.

    Mark Hamill deserves better. I mean this ST Luke seemed like a badass gone into hiding. Someone wrote an article that Hamill should get an oscar nom, and in a fair academy awards world him and Patrick Stewart should get supporting actor noms. He did a good job. I like this new Luke. Idk why no one else does. He seems like a badass. I understood his reasonings.

    I DID NOT LIKE THAT HE DIED. That is what I wasn’t spoiled on. I knew he was going to die. Thanks Instagram “you can only revive one” post I accidentally clicked on. When he had that hologram fight (badass btw) and Kylo “killed him” I thought “oh so this is what they meant” but then nope, force death.

    I mean okay sure why not, but if you know Leia can’t be in the next one bc Carrie Fisher died do you not rewrite his death? So effectively all they have left for “humanesque” characters is Chewbacca as the Original cast. I would have rather seen Luke continue. Although I expect he’ll appear as a force ghost in the sequel. Damn shame tho.

    Also, replace DJ with an older Lando Carlissan. DJ was fine but his stutter and mannerisms were ridiculous.

    I liked Rose. Hated Holdo. Carries daughter seemed a bit distracting. Haven’t decided if she can really act well yet or not.

    So glad FinnPoe can stop being a thing. God that was stupid. Long live the bromance.

    I like this film. It’s a tad long and I agree some parts don’t make sense or seem pointless. But oh well what can you do. I just wish we would have had more time with older Luke. Seen him in an actual battle. That’s the only thing that pisses me off.

  • Manuel Orozco

    To each their own

  • Don’t worry there’s episodes 6.1, 6.2, and 6.3 which will show Snokes rise to power. Think of it as the prequels where they showed Palpantines rise.

  • No way. They’re setting up Poe and Rey now. See that spark in their eyes when they finally met.

    And Finn has Rose.

    And a million stupid fans had their heart crushed at no FinnPoe romance.

    Their bromance is way better anyway.

  • That broom kid reminded me a lot of kid Anakin. They could have been twins.

  • I am anti-fandom too!

  • I thought he got better as the clip went along. That whole scene might be my favorite one of the movie.

    Ah damn it. Ever scene with Luke in it.

  • William Dhalgren

    There’s an internal logic that has been established by three original films and largely continued in three later, lousy ones.

  • Favorite character in SW history he is.

  • Hated Laura Derns character. I expected her to be a mole for the first order.

  • SPOILER YADA YAD YADA AH SCREW IT I KNOW YALL SEEN IT BY NOW

    I’m actually glad that Rey’s parents were nobodies. Seems nice. I don’t see it as a red herring either

  • This is a film series where everything needs to be constantly recharged and whatnot. Let’s not forget that. Common sense escapes them.

  • Dude I can’t wait for TLJ to hit bluray so someone can make a trailer edit using TLJ scenes to make it look like the film is a ReyLo love story lol

  • Oh yea. I’m a Gleason fan but he was pretty bad there.

  • Exactly what i thought when watching.

  • I wouldn’t call it the best SW. For me it’s probably ranked in the 3-5 area tied with Rogue One and Empire Strikes Back

  • As a heart attack

  • DryButSoupy

    TFA was like a band’s greatest hits compilation. TLJ was like an album of covers by shitty bands.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Agreed. Having had some time to think about it, I think the part of the movie about Rey, Luke, and Kylo is the part of the movie that entirely works. The rest fitfully works but those parts are masterful.

  • DryButSoupy

    The whole casino planet thing reminded me of the prequels. I don’t know if it was the design or the humor or what.

  • DryButSoupy
  • DropYourLinen

    Five films and forty years later and we’re back where we started with the original, regurgitating everything and accomplishing nothing. Hell is repetition.

    They should’ve done that Battlestar Pegasus kamikaze maneuver in the first twenty minutes. The few remaining stragglers from both sides then make it to the salt planet and proceed to slowly die of dehydration due to the high saline content in the water and we’re finally free of these weak sauce characters the shit heap that is TFA dumped on us. *sighs wistfully*

  • DryButSoupy

    That was the one spoiler that I didn’t avoid before going. I wonder what my reaction would have been had I not known. It would have been nice to have known more regarding that character, but it doesn’t bother me that we don’t…yet. Overall that scene between Rey, Kylo, and Snoke was one of the better parts of the movie for me.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    More aptly, the twist was that there was none. But his death was a twist of sorts.

  • The shirtless scene was super important to further the sexual tension though. The middle chapter establishes the love story.

  • DryButSoupy

    He’s likable, but he so damn insubordinate. He’s a loose cannon! How’d he get out of the brig? Didn’t he get sent to the brig and then a scene later he’s out?

  • DryButSoupy

    There was a Snoke twist?

  • DryButSoupy

    It reminded me of a similar scene in Guardians of the Galaxy when Star Lord exited his ship to save Gamora.

    Force space-suits!

  • DryButSoupy

    Yeah…that whole kill that past thing is directed right at the fans about the previous trilogies, particularly the OT.

    I don’t mind Rey not having a shocking/important lineage, though.

  • DryButSoupy

    I’m not sure I agree with “best one since empire” but I’ll agree that the Maz stuff felt weak. Pointless.

  • DryButSoupy

    And why were those bombers so slooooooow? So much didn’t make any real sense.

  • DryButSoupy

    When I first saw those creatures I only saw the upper part of the top two udders. I thought “surely they didn’t just show us alien balls.”

  • DryButSoupy

    Most of the humor in this movie did seem of the sort that was in the previous films, particularly the prequels so it didn’t bother me as much. Corny humor, like it or not, is in Star Wars’ DNA…but the shirt off “Can’t you find a towel or something?” moment seemed out of place. The more serious plot thread was the Kylo/Rey/Luke stuff and it sort of deflated the tension and drama for me. Not that there was much tension or drama for me to begin with. I didn’t feel all that invested in this story.

  • DryButSoupy

    I just got back from The Last Jedi. It was…okay.

  • Manuel Orozco

    Last Jedi was the best Star Wars episode tied with Force Awakens. Packed with spectacular visuals, intense action, heartfelt character drama and shocking developments going forward. I didn’t expect to enjoy it this much like last time.

  • Manuel Orozco

    Last Jedi was the best Star Wars episode tied with Force Awakens. Packed with spectacular visuals, intense action, heartfelt character drama and shocking developments going forward. I didn’t expect to enjoy it this much like last time.

  • William Dhalgren

    Yes. Three Billboards is probably at the bottom.

  • Yeah, I’m an Abrams fan but this is one instance where his predilection for answering a question with a question robbed the audience of something more than he may have anticipated.

  • Indianamcclain

    Visually the final confrontation between Luke and Kylo was gorgeous. Reminded me of the Star Wars art that has been released over the years. Also, the shot of Luke in front of the twin suns was beautiful as well.

  • Indianamcclain

    But out of the ones you saw is this near the bottom of the pile?

  • Indianamcclain

    Indeed it was Abrams doing. I mean how can seeing an Empire vs Rebels situation with the OT characters not feel redundant? Star Wars is such a big Universe that you can go in so many directions with, and this is what an A-list Director/Storyteller came up with?

  • William Dhalgren

    I didn’t see a ton of films this year, tbh.

  • Indianamcclain

    Well I wasn’t a fan of what they were doing with Luke in Force Awakens, but this film and Hamill’s performance did help me to accept that storyline.

    I still don’t like that this whole thing of Luke being a hermit came out of Abram’s not knowing what to do with him in Force Awakens. It feels lazy.

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    Agreed

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    And Darth Maul. And pod racing.

  • 1 2 3 4

    Agreed, this new trilogy pretty much made Anakin’s redemption, the defeat of the Empire and the return of the Jedi and the balancing of the Force completely redundant. Can’t imagine a more insulting thing to do to a classic story than nullify its ending. To be fair, that was mostly Abram’s doing.

  • The trash can Droid getting screaming while getting his feet branded.

  • Vincent Kane
  • William Dhalgren

    Sure. Are there sight gags? In any case, it stuck out for me, and the first thing I thought of was Spaceballs. Which, in all honesty, speaks to a criticism I’ve seen of these modern Star Wars films – these movies feel like they are made by people who are all too aware that they are making Star Wars movies. If JJ’s movie felt like a fan film, this one feels like a parody.

  • I don’t know. There’s plenty of funny Droid moments throughout the Saga.

  • It was extremely jarring and disappointing at first. Had he taken a swing or harmed Ben, it would’ve been close to the kind of betrayal of the character of Superman we saw in Man of Steel.

    I’m able to reconcile Luke’s temptation here with his struggles resisting the Dark Side in previous films, but yeah. I wanted Luke to be more of an Obi-Wan type and they decided to characterise him entirely differently. That’s on me, I guess.

    How did you feel?

  • Indianamcclain

    It sounds like this is one of the worst films of the year for you.

  • ResonanceCascade

    Yeah. I don’t think TLJ is a masterpiece. Just good.

  • William Dhalgren

    Awesome! Glad to have you back with us.

  • oreodogvomit

    Rey was the one who actually said it first. She said they were “no one” and then Kylo just filled in the blanks.

  • mother of dragons

    hi! gonna try and be more active on here

  • William Dhalgren

    Speaking of Rose’s sister, why do those bombers need someone to manually go and pull a lever to release the bombs? TIE Bombers consisted of just a pilot pushing a button, and that was 30+ years prior. This movie was filled with plot holes like that which were obviously intended to steer the narrative in certain desired directions.

  • William Dhalgren

    He did. I agree with you there.

  • William Dhalgren

    Where you been mother? TLJ bringing out all the old timers.

  • William Dhalgren

    Which belongs in a Spaceballs movie, not a Star Wars movie.

  • William Dhalgren

    Brazil? Agreed.

  • William Dhalgren

    It did for me, and it undoes the culmination of events in ROTJ and the entire OT (and maybe, if you like, the PT, too). This is maybe my biggest problem with this whole new trilogy: it undoes what was tidily wrapped up in ROTJ. It’s a reflection of the creeping nihilism in our culture, and it bothers me greatly.

  • oreodogvomit

    Oh she was actually the one who said it first. All this debating about whether he was lying is moot. She confirmed it and Kylo just filled in the blanks.

  • Indianamcclain

    Did Luke feeling tempted feel out of character for you?

  • William Dhalgren

    Yes.

  • William Dhalgren

    I actually agree with you, but if you dig around enough on the internet, you will find an argument that reimagines Star Wars as promoting a kind of aristocratic approach (or Catholic, depending on how you want to look at it) to the Force. Because Luke says the Force runs strong in his family, and then because of Lucas’ ill-advised midichlorians debacle, this is taken to mean that Force use is predicated on blood lines – an idea that has been deemed problematic. Me? I think monarchy and aristocracy is a shit idea for a modern era, but I can deal with the idea that some individuals might have more skill with a fictional magic than others in a movie that’s all about mythology and archetypes. But the people working on these movies today have a strict ideological bent that seems to motivate the use of Star Wars as a tool of “progress”.

  • William Dhalgren

    I sincerely appreciate your position, my man. I’m not sure I can argue with your reasoning – I just disagree. I have always found jokes about Hitler distasteful.

  • William Dhalgren

    Will write a proper reply later. For now, it’s good to see you DN. Been a while.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I had the exact same thought watching the movie. Like, I can accept if they want to make her a character that learns things herself–a homeschooled jedi, if you will–but she’s so highly skilled for no apparent reason.

  • I feel like they went with Domhnall Gleeson because they were thinking “who’s the new Cushing?” and went to young actors like Hiddleston and Cumberbatch. I would have liked to have seen Paddy Considine or Timothy Spall in the Hux role.

  • Well yeah, that’ the problem with Snoke as well. Just saying someone is the Emperor works when you’re introducing a world. In a pre-established world, you need a little more than just saying he’s the Supreme Leader, especially when he’s a powerful force-user and the audience has an understanding of what that means in the wider context of the universe… it’s weird that this doesn’t seem to matter to KK, Rian or the story group, especially if they’re cool having Luke say “Darth Sidious” and essentially agree with the fan theory that the Jedi were not ultimately a force for good in the PT.

  • “Is Rey ever going to get any actual training? Or is she a full-blown jedi now just because?”

    This is the worst thing about her parents being nobody. I’d assumed that she had been trained a little as a very young kid and was remembering stuff, but apparently it’s all pure intuition.

  • Yoda is one of my favourite characters, so I loved having him back. I liked that he was a puppet too, but he STILL didn’t look like the Empire puppet, and I can’t understand how that’s so hard!

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I would imagine Abrams will bring back the chosen one thing. Next movie will almost assuredly back pedal and say Kylo was lying to Rey…which will piss me off.

  • Who was your favorite new character?
    DJ

    Best moment in the film?
    Rey and Kylo taking out the guards.

    Biggest twist or shock?
    Luke’s Force projection.

    Least favorite moment?
    Luke being tempted to murder his nephew.

    What did you think of Rian Johnson’s directorial skills on this film?
    I think it’s the least of his films, I wish this were as tightly plotted as his previous work. The entire Finn/Rose plan having no impact on the overall story was bothersome.

    Mark Hamill returning as Luke Skywalker?
    Excellent turn.

    Are you already hyped for Episode IX?
    I am, but mostly because I’m hyped for Star Wars, always. I genuinely don’t know where they go from here and not in a “I wonder where they go from here” type of way. There are no dangling plot threads I’m intrigued by, all that’s left is for Rey to defeat Kylo.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I could go on and on about how good that movie is. Really a masterpiece.

  • It’s been ages since I’ve seen it. Time for a revisit.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I think that was a reference to a similar gag in Gilliam’s Brazil.

  • Yoda had some great dialogue.

  • I loved it too. It felt like a total Spaceballs gag.

  • I don’t have much to say about it, but the iron gag made me laugh a lot. And as for unintentional laughs, I was not expecting the metaphorical abyss to be a real thing on the island.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I know it’s wildly off topic but I gotta disagree about Hitler not being funny. His horrible actions notwithstanding, the public persona he created for himself is very cartoonish, even many contemporaries seemed to think so.

  • 1 2 3 4

    That was sort of interesting, her climactic fight happened in the middle of the movie.

  • Joe Newman

    Well… I loved it.

  • Joe Newman

    Oscar Isaac is awesome. That’s why.

  • Joe Newman

    I just saw it last night and it seems that she knows it’s true.

  • DrizzRizz

    Spot on, Cap. This movie is bold and brings new ideas to the franchise that haven’t been there before: (Impulsive ‘hero’ v. thoughtful contributor, institutions v. doctrine, destiny v. determinism ) I love that this med shed the “chosen one” mythos that has really bogged down the series overall since the prequels.

  • DrizzRizz

    I think the *fans* did a great job of building him up over the last two years. He was an avatar for what a lot of us thought was going to be the Palpatine character of this trilogy.

    As far as his strength goes, I think his great power was his ability to read and manipulate the mind. He always knew what Kylo Ren was thinking, what he thought, what he was doing and going to do. That is significant power, and truly limiting when subject to it.

    I love the fact that Kylo was clever enough to use that against him in the throne room.

    Snoke’s character still serves a purpose within this film in that it was him that connected Kylo and Rey. It was immediately apparent to me that their connection was something more than the connections we have seen before between Skywalkers. By the end of the film, it is evident that the connection remains between then even after the death of Snoke. Interesting way to have the protagonist and antagonist interact with each other throughout a film.

  • DrizzRizz

    I promise I’m not mad at anyone, nor will I ever get mad at somebody for their thought-out opinion of a film. It is totally ok that we don’t agree on this film. I loved it and will happily have discussions about the many great aspects of this film, as well as the flaws that are super apparent: (anything involving Canto Bight)

  • DrizzRizz

    I’m curious: How is this a reimagining? The children that were being trained at the Jedi Academy in the prequels.. were they from a specific strata of society? Were they all related to former Jedi? Probably not, considering the celibate lifestyle of the Jedi (::shudder::)

    I think the concept of anyone having strength in the force has always been a part of the Star Wars mythology. #broomkidTLJ

  • Lol

  • We shall see.

  • Playing on fears, the dark side does.

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    It was the truth. And it’s so much better this way.

  • Indianamcclain

    I didn’t completely understand what that place was. Is that supposed to be this movies version of Luke’s Vader vision on Dagobah?

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Rose’s sister survived the vacuum of space. She must have been a jedi.

  • Indianamcclain

    Good to see you.

  • mother of dragons

    oof, sadly I didn’t like it. I was left disappointed and mostly felt “meh” throughout. Loved that yoda scene though absolutely brilliant.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I tend to enjoy deconstructions and “fuck yous” to nostalgia. Twin Peaks: The Return is my favorite show of the year, and it’s much meaner to the lore and fans of Twin Peaks than this was to Star Wars fans.

    Although I didn’t think the Leia sequence was one of those…it worked on me 100% at face value as a way to say that Leia is strong as hell in the force.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I thought he said something like “but you already saw that” and then she gave him a sad, knowing look. Hopefully I’ll see it again tomorrow and I can play closer attention.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I thought he was fine after the opening. That whole opening sequence was wonky, except for the part with Rose’s sister.

  • ResonanceCascade

    That’s the whole reason he stayed on Ahch-To. He finally found another place with blue(ish) milk.

  • Indianamcclain

    I’m so conflicted. For everything that I liked/loved there was something else that bothered me. But like I said I did enjoy it more than Force Awakens.

  • William Dhalgren

    #true

  • I think Gleeson will get another chance in 9.

  • William Dhalgren

    How about the guy who plays Captain Piett? That’s a subtle performance.

    I mean, Gleeson is playing the character like a fucking cartoon version of Hitler. If that’s supposed to be funny, Gleeson needs to fuck off somewhere with a history book – Hitler isn’t funny. Nothing about him is funny. If it’s supposed to be serious, Gleeson has completely missed the mark. Hux feels like he is about to be the butt of a joke in every scene he’s in.

  • William Dhalgren

    Have to say, DBMI, I think Res is right. I want to believe Rey has some connection to the force, but I think Johnson’s movie is making a clear statement that would be shot to shit if Ren is lying.

  • Indianamcclain

    It makes you appreciate Peter Cushing, and Ian Mcdormand’s performances a bit more. Yes, they’re mustache twirling to an extent but they weren’t overacting in the OT.

  • William Dhalgren

    I ended up liking the sequence with infinity Rey, but it reminded me (uncomfortably) of a scene from Conan the Destroyer. This movie had so many WEIRD moments and tone deaf humor. It just did not feel like a Star Wars movie. If Abrams’ movie felt too much like Star Wars (because it just ripped off the past), Johnson’s movie felt nothing like a Star Wars movie for me.

  • William Dhalgren

    I really enjoyed the duel. Have to admit.

  • William Dhalgren

    We’re told by Maz that ONLY her guy with the flower pin can do the job. And then they find some random dude in the jail cell who can not only leave at will but also do the job they need? What a bunch of nonsense.

  • William Dhalgren

    My problem with it is that it’s just silly and unnecessary and so obviously meant to give Finn something to do. In terms of story, it would have been much simpler to have these characters try to find the tracker on their own ship and disarm it. This is all made up science fantasy. It doesn’t have to be realistic, but it has to stick to some sort of internal logic. TFA had this problem, too. The whole scene at Max’s castle was contrived. The Falcon being on Jakku was contrived. These are really bad writing decisions, and it’s hard to believe they made it into films that cost this much to make.

  • William Dhalgren

    It was a horrible plot contrivance and it seemed shoehorned in, for reasons I will not go into, instead of trying to tell a coherent, good story.

  • But they both saw different things, no? And as soon as they touched on that I thought “visions of POSSIBLE futures. They’re still young and figuring out the force”.

  • William Dhalgren

    Because that guy is a pro who shows up to work and lets his charisma work for him instead of getting caught up in the fact that he’s in a Star Wars movie.

  • William Dhalgren

    It was bizarre. Felt like a dream sequence. And this speaks to so much of what I hated about this film. It felt so flippant. So many odd moments that felt like they were thrown in with little thought or simply to thumb a nose a Abrams’ dogmatic approach or to SW lore. If I didn’t have his own word to prove me wrong, i would have to assume that Johnson hates Star Wars.

  • William Dhalgren

    My son pointed out that the last battle had some similarities to the final battle in Return of the King.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    With all the crazy stuff that happened in this movie, I completely forgot about where Luke gets his milk.

  • William Dhalgren

    I agree with you Res. This constitutes a reimagining of the SW mythology: You don’t have to have the ability to wield the force in your blood – anyone can do it. It’s some sort of nonsense equity message. That’s why I don’t think it was misdirection – this movie had a message it wanted to convey (a few, really) and that was a big part of it.

    I’ve been thinking about this movie and TFA a lot over the last few days and I’m not sure I like how meta they’re making these films. I don’t like the call backs for starters, but the narrative parallels that are meant to be a commmentary on the fandom are weird to me.

  • William Dhalgren

    The contrivances and plot holes were my main problem with this film. The plot and several of the subplots felt haphazardly written and so contrived and ridiculous.

    I didn’t get that whole side mission Maz sent Finn and Rose on or even why Maz was shoehorned into the script. The main plot felt terribly contrived. The last capitol ship of the Resistance limping along just out of reach of the flying wing? Until it runs out of fuel? And the transport ships flying off to that mining planet? Really, the flying wing doesn’t notice that those ships are escaping until Del Toro’s character tells them? We’re expected to believe that this high tech civilization doesn’t have the capability of tracking and scanning multiple targets? And how the hell did those walkers get to the surface with that gun after the flying wing was obliterated?

    This movie was so bad.

  • William Dhalgren

    I can’t understand it. I remember watching his performance juxtaposed with that of the Dreadnought commander and thinking that the dreadnought commmander’s performance was a much closer example of the kind of cold menace the Imperial officers exuded in the OT. I remember thinking “Wow, if Gleeson needed an example for his performance, all he had to do was watch that guy.”

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m having a hard time seeing how they’d make that work. They made that revelation into a key component of her character arc. And it was heavily implied that Rey also saw what Kylo saw, or at least intuited it.

  • Indianamcclain

    Domhall Gleason was terrible. I’m surprised that Johnson didn’t reign him in.

  • It’s obviously a misdirect and they have it planned. I don’t think they’re waiting on reactions from fans. Not saying that they don’t pay attention to that stuff, though.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I hope so. Ghost Luke or I riot.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Permission granted.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I really liked it. I’m glad Leia had a Force moment.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    This.

  • King Alvarez

    Well, it played out that way but poorly.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Agreed. I think of it often in terms of TV. A show like Lost or Riverdale uses a mystery to keep people watching. A show like Fargo or Breaking Bad don’t do that because the writers are aware that the reveal will always be a letdown, and superlative storytelling renders it unnecessary.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I don’t know how they can change it without undermining the whole message of this movie.

    Which I dunno, maybe they’ll actually want to do it if the negative reaction ends up defining the movie. 🙁

  • Indianamcclain

    To be honest that sort of storytelling just isn’t that interesting. When the original Star Wars film ends you don’t have 100 questions about who Luke is. The film tells you everything you need to know. It doesn’t save important character development for another film.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    The audience clapped when Kylo and Rey do that final lightsaber trick in my showing.

  • King Alvarez

    Nothing I read seemed too overly heated just yet.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    That’s his thing. I’m pretty nervous that he’s going to go back on some of the better elements from this film like Rey’s parentage.

  • King Alvarez

    I initially thought the lapel pin was a MacGuffin so to get to DJ. But it never really played out that way. Unless they retcon it in IX.

  • King Alvarez

    He’s the Han Solo of this trilogy.

  • Indianamcclain

    To your point about Luke, I enjoyed him in the film but I agree. It’s frustrating because I know if Lucas/Kasdan were writing the stories for these films they would’ve treated the OT characters a bit better.

  • TheDeadFellow

    Oh another thing:

    REYLO!
    REYLO!
    REYLO!
    REYLO!
    REYLO!

  • Indianamcclain

    It does seem a little irresponsible for a filmmaker to setup so many questions, then lay the burden of answering them on another filmmaker.

  • Indianamcclain

    The Maz Kanata cameo was also a little weak. I mean what was filming her?

    Overall I have mixed feelings about the film. However, their was certainly more to like here than there was in Force Awakens. Also, visually speaking this is probably the best Star Wars film since Empire.

  • Indianamcclain

    Completely agree

  • King Alvarez

    Overall I liked the movie and agree the the jokes, and Leia space flying were the worst. Luke training Rey and his projection were great. Although the trick he plays on Rey was the best joke. I like that Rey’s parents were inconsiquental. And I’m glad they didn’t have a bb8 vs evil bb8 fight like I was expecting. I need to see it again to rank it though.

  • TheDeadFellow

    Rian Johnson did something that no other installment in the series, whether it’d be the prequels or the originals, has done for me: Actually like the second film more than the first.

    Jolly good show, Johnson!

  • Indianamcclain

    It felt like Rey took a back seat in the third act.

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    and Duel of The Fates

  • Kylo just told her that because he thought it was the last thing that was holding her back from turning.

    It’s totally not true.

  • LOL

  • It was awesome.

  • 1 2 3 4

    Completely agree except I don’t regret that the prequels happened, just how they happened.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I have mixed feelings which I can’t quite express, but I think I realised no future Star Wars movie, no matter how well made, will ever make me feel the sense of wonder the original trilogy gave me.

  • 1 2 3 4

    I think you mean me lol

  • 1 2 3 4

    Definitely an improvement over TFA but unfortunately it has no choice but to use it as a foundation so it has some of the same problems.

    Seeing Luke was awesome and he has some good moments but I didn’t like that they turned him into a coward.

    I liked the revelation that Rey is just a nobody but it’s not enough to make me care about her as a character as she continues to be a flawless bore.

    Action was great except for the final battle.

    Laura Dern’s character seemed superfluous and I thought everything her character did could have been done with an established character like Admiral Ackbar who got the shaft and died unceremoniously when he could’ve been the one to do the Kamikaze attack.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    The more I think about this film, the better I like it. I think this article sums it up pretty damn well actually. https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I liked it. I think it was visually a little weird (too much CGI and an awkward flying motion, but conceptually, I thought it fulfilled a number of the series themes. I think I rank it in with the Snoke twist as something that works better on paper than it does on screen but that is still more successful than it’s not.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m digging my heels in on Leia’s Spacewalk. Everyone I know I hated it, and even my wife is making fun of me for liking it, but I thought it was a total but punch.

  • ResonanceCascade

    My main problem with the casino was DJ. Really, they just randomly found some dude who had the exact insanely particular set of skills that they needed? It would have been better if he was actually Maz’s friend.

  • DrizzRizz

    Luke is one with the force, so he will totally see kylo ’round.

  • DrizzRizz

    I’m not defending this subplot because I also thought it was weak, but I think the point of the mission was to show how much Poe and co. were risking without the proper information. Again, Poe was acting recklessly and impulsively by sending two resistance fighters on a half-baked mission, and risked the entire resistance for naught.

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    Still wouldn’t have liked it though

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    ”Permission to jump in to a X-Wing and blow stuff up?”

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    How is Poe Dameron so damn likable?

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    My least favorite part was the Finn/Rose subplot.
    It always slowed things down and ended up being useless minus setting up that scene with the Force sensitive kid at the very end.
    But that whole Casino planet felt wrong. I didn’t like it. There was just too much everything and it felt like something that was on Earth. The space horse scene was stupid too.
    And the master codebreaker?
    They recruit a guy for a mission, only to have that guy betray them and they fail the mission. What was the point?
    Eated up way too much screen time and slowed the movie down.

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    My favorite scenes were that lightsaber duel. You know the one I’m talking about. Damn it was beautifully shot. I want it as a wallpaper.
    And the Yoda scene. That was such an amazing surprise. He was so well written too. First felt crazy but then turned to that same old Yoda we know and love.and when his theme kicked in <3

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    That was a given. This is a very bold movie.

  • Syllabub Jinglewine

    Yeah I didn’t like that either…
    They could’ve at least made it look like she used the Force to pull herself towards the ship instead of going all Superman

  • I thought it was much better than TFA, and man, I absolutely enjoyed the film. It threw away the “this is a tentpole event, here we go watch it because it’s popular” feeling. And made it feel like a unique, well written film.

  • HAHA Loretta Johnson!

  • Yes, that was proved with broom kid at the end.

  • Indianamcclain

    Flying Leia is one of the most ridiculous sequences from any Star Wars film. That was easily the worst moment for me.

  • Indianamcclain

    To be honest it feels very lazy. It’s like “We need to reset this universe to the way it was in the OT with no explanation whatsoever.”

  • ResonanceCascade

    If TFA had taken more risks, the fan reaction probably wouldn’t have been as good.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    And one good line about there always being a bigger fish.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I mean, there’s always some nutjob. I bet I could dig someone up who hated Mad Max Fury Road but that doesn’t stop it from being pretty much universally beloved.

  • William Dhalgren

    How do you mean?

  • William Dhalgren

    You don’t remember that one guy that constantly went on and on about TFA? Can’t remember his name, but he had a bee in his bonnet for Abrams and TFA.

  • William Dhalgren

    Yeah. The only thing TPM had going for it was Liam Neeson.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Right, it’s yet another weird random element from that movie.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I forgot about the old man.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Who finances them is a pretty damn good question. They have weapons and equipment that dwarf what the empire had.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    “See ‘ya round, kid.”

    Proceeds to die.

  • Oh you’re right about shit not being properly explained in that movie.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I don’t think it was properly explained how much was wiped out in 7. I remember them saying the fleet was wiped out. The fleet that was doing jack shit.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Damn. I’m sorry. TFA broke something inside me so I understand.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Initially, yes, but then I started to think it’s a lie, because he’s all about letting go and this is one thing that she can’t let go so saying she has nobody parents solves her mystery and gives her nothing left to hold onto and then maybe she can join him. Either it’s a lie or they changed their plans because TFA seemed to be pointing her in the direction of being someone’s someone. The part about him saying she knows as well has me going back to thinking it’s the truth. I think It’s a toss-up and they can go anywhere with it still.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    I didn’t think the movie was awful but I had a pretty strong reaction of feeling ripped off after.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Yeah, I suppose, but this will still make a ton of money. JJ will probably just make a very run of the mill third film to compensate.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I feel like objectively, Phantom Menace is a way worse film. IF nothing else, the acting here is much, much better.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I literally said “I don’t know why Disney thought they had to play it this safe” about The Force Awakens in the Star Wars ranking article. I have to eat my words now because apparently they were being very, very smart.

  • William Dhalgren

    Yeah, what about that guy who had a baseball player (I think) avatar? He had this insult he would use for everything. Can’t remember what it was. Something to do with butt sex maybe?

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m pretty sure I felt what the people who hate this movie are feeling in 1999 when I walked out of The Phantom Menace, so I guess I can relate somewhat.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Plus it was safe. I’d be hard put to it to find anyone who hated Force Awakens. There’s just not that much there to have a strong reaction to one way or the other, with this one, I guess ambition brings risk.

  • Larry Version 3

    Exactly. Seems even more divisive than TFA because the fanbase, whther they enjoyed it or not could at least agree it was a bit of a rip off.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Nor I. I’m a bit surprised because I walked out of the theater just having liked it, not thining ‘I liked this but others may not’. I figured it would be a smash with fans.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Oh man, yeah, remember Rashad…and Loretta?

  • Larry Version 3

    Judging by what people are saying below its all over the place in terms of personal satisfaction. Didn’t expect a SW film to be so divisive lol.

  • William Dhalgren

    These guy an be goofs, but they actually bring up really valid questions. I sometimes find ther conclusions hilarious, but I really like them They enjoy these movies in a way that is contagious.

  • William Dhalgren

    Man, I don’t think we have to worry about that at this point. I think we all value this as a sort of oasis from the sort of bullying, mobbing, and constant political yammering that you get elsewhere. Besides, when we were at Brand X film site, we often had heated disagreements, but we seemed to work them out. And when people were being cockheads, we mostly ignored them. We had a few trouble folk, none of which, I noticed, made the migration with us.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    What ResonanceCascade says below is spot on. You were fine, I was just overreactive because I fear this place going the way of so many online communities.

  • ResonanceCascade

    Ha! I’m also listening to the Rebel Force Radio episode at this moment.

    I didn’t think you were being hostile at all. I’d much rather have direct, honest discussion than understatement masquerading as politeness.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Yeah, the audience I was with seemed to like it and I loved it…but I think I loved it for many of the reasons fans hated it.

  • William Dhalgren

    Same. I hope my comments were not read as directing hostility towards you. They were certainly not meant to. I had a visceral reaction to this movie, but I am working my way through my feelings (LOL) by listening to Rebel Force Radio’s commentary on it and chatting about it with my son.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’ll be curious to see how that changes as more general audiences see it and not just diehards and grognards. It might stay split, but I suspect it will go up quite a bit.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I posted this on the weekend thread but RT has the audience score at 53% while the critic score is 93%. I stand with the critics but I am really enjoying the disconnect (because I’m sort of inherently anti-fandom).

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Nah, in retrospect everyone was being fine. I wasn’t trying to chastise. I just don’t want anyone’s feelings to get hurt.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m definitely not getting heated about anything, but I can see how it could come off that way. When something has as much history wrapped up in it as Star Wars, it can takes walls of text to describe a POV.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I think Kylo was 100% telling the truth.

    I don’t know what their plans for Snoke are. His corner of the universe might be something that Johnson explores more in his trilogy. Or Kylo Ren’s future journey could involve divulging some of those details.

    Much as I think these movies tend to ignore deep lore, I think that Snoke is a Force Wielder from The Clone Wars. Everything about him matches up perfectly. If they don’t go that direction, it will be a missed opportunity to tie this saga to an important story about the Force that came right from George Lucas.

  • William Dhalgren

    I’ve been especially grumpy this year. 2018 will be the return of not-so-grumpy Will!

  • William Dhalgren

    Yeah, I think that matches up with Johnson’s reimagining of the Star Wars mythology. Anyone can be strong in the force, even those from the lowest strata of society.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I don’t know what Abrams will establish in the next one, but I think Johnson’s intention was that Kylo Ren was telling the truth (because he says that Rey knows what he says is true). No idea on the second part.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Pfft, you’re allowed to be grumpy. Opinions are very little fun unless they’re strong. Logan was good…I keep forgetting that was this year.

  • William Dhalgren

    Not bad, Res.

  • ResonanceCascade

    A group of people with sympathies to the empire slowly built up resources with an underground crime network (weapons sales?), flew off to another part of the galaxy, found this weird, old powerful monster called Snoke, teamed up with him, and, having installed their own agents into the Senate came back to a gridlocked Republic that couldn’t do anything about them.

    So the the First Order slowly expanded its grip by annexing planets for more recruits and resources for three or four years while Leia said “fuck that” and splintered off with her own group of rebels to stand up to them.

    Once the First Order finished Starkiller, they struck out and declared full-on war against the Republic.

  • William Dhalgren

    SPOILERS
    (assume that goes without saying, but want to be sure)

    Couple questions for you guys: Do you think Kylie was telling the truth about Rey’s parentage and do you think we will get any background on Snoke and the Knights of Ren in the next film?

  • William Dhalgren

    Shit, man, I saw so few films this year. I don’t think my opinion would be terribly valid. I REALLY liked the two you mention, but was very disappointed in Three Billboards. I also quite liked Logan. Eh. Man, my relationship with modern films is touch and go these days. I’ll return to this question. Gotta think.

    And thanks for the vote of confidence. Sorry to everyone for my grumpiness.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    …maybe? Hard to say, though Luke’s last stunt (which was what made the film for me) was pretty damn impressive. That ‘see ya ’round, kid’ spoken from planets away was perfection.

  • Wasn’t more powerful than Luke.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    But was he? One doesn’t get the impression that Kylo or Rey could have beaten him in a fight. He was more powerful with the force than any character we’ve seen in the new trilogy. I want to agree because I like the interpretation thematically, but for me it came just shy of working.

  • Cap_N_Jack
  • Honestly, after Force Awakens I figured he was a bullshit artist, the Wizard of Oz. Then when trailers for 8 showed he actually was a force weilder, I got nervous. But in the end, he was just an even bigger wannabe than Kylo.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    And with you! And Will, what are your top movies for this year so far? I don’t always agree, but I value your take. Mine are Dunkirk, Blade Runner 2049, and, once I see it, I assume once I see it, Three Billboards.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Bite me.

  • William Dhalgren

    May the Force be with you.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    The bit where Luke messes with Rey’s hand while she’s meditating felt spot-on to me, but again, I’m not a giant fan.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Again, I blame Abrams mostly, but this one needed to be handled better here. Kylor Ren is a more interesting villain but we spent too much time with him being subservient for his takeover to feel earned.

  • William Dhalgren

    Yep.

  • William Dhalgren

    I’ll say this: I see the wisdom in the many people who have been crying out for stories that are disconnected from the Skywalker saga. These people saw what I could not. Star Wars wants to stretch, flex, and test the boundaries of it’s own mythology, and I get it. Shit gets stale real quick if all you do is tell the same story over and over again. I just think that would have been better done in the Star Wars Stories rather than completely unravel what the OT left us with.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    “Everything you need to know about Snoke was in this movie, which is that he’s no Sidious.”

    I really liked this as a concept and i think the twist of killing him was almost great…but it needed to happen a movie ago before he had been built up so much.

  • Don’t forget they wiped out the entire Republic and five planets in 7. The remnants have been crushed in 8. But now Luke has lit a fire under the Galaxy’s ass. Where’s General Lando?

    Everything you need to know about Snoke was in this movie, which is that he’s no Sidious.

  • William Dhalgren

    I would love to hear them. I think the explanations I’ve heard (apparently elucidated in the EU material) seem very contrived and forced. I prefer not to have everything explained. That’s not what I’m saying, and I feel like we’re talking around each other. I’m saying that the story they are trying to tell leaves gaping holes as a result of what came before. You can’t write a trilogy of new Lord of the Rings movies where Middle Earth has been plunged into darkness again 30 years later and not give some indication of how or why it has gotten that way again in so short a time. One undoes the other.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I see the problem as twofold but not as severe as you. Disney hires JJ Abrams who wants to remake New Hope. He establishes as similar a status quo as possible without bothering to do the legwork. He’s a hack writer and always has been. Johnson comes along and has to pick up the pieces which he does with mixed results. I put the problems squares on Force Awakens which was lazy and safe and thus established a status quo that was familiar but not logical.

    Don’t get me started on how inept professional storytellers can be (looking at you Spider-Man Homecoming), but I think I get why this turned out the way it did. I’m just not really a Star Wars guy so it doesn’t bother me.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I definitely feel like the three trilogies work better as self-contained units than as one giant saga (although Rogue One bridges III to IV a little bit). All three have their own tones and focuses.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Oh JJ definitely had no idea of who Snoke was. Or who Rey’s parents were. Or why Luke was on the island. Or how R2-D2 woke up. Or who the old man was at the beginning.

    Just like he had no idea what the Rabbit’s Foot was. Or what the Island was. Or what the story behind the Cloverfield monster was.

  • William Dhalgren

    They made the problem of needing to explain those things by writing the story that they did. We didnt really need to know why the Empire was the way it was in the OT because it wasn’t relevant because there wa no “before” as far as the audience was concerned. But the story they’re trying tell, a rehash of the original story arc, necessitates some explanation, and explanation isn’t good for action and pace and all that. We shouldn’t need explanation, but they chose to tell this story. If they had told a different story where the Republic was established and had a standing army (which only makes sense) and they were having to face a new, rising threat, we wouldn’t need any real explanation for the state of the galaxy. It’s just weird to me, Cap. How are these professional storytellers so inept? Again, I reference Rebels as evidence that there are people out there right now who understand the mechanics of this movie universe and the larger genre and are doing it right. Why are the cinematic attempts being bungled by pros?

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Just as a note: I feel things are already getting heated here, and that’s needless. This community is friendly and I’m happy to discuss this stuff with all of you no matter your opinion.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m just saying if your expectation was to get a big macro view of what is happening in the politics of the galaxy, then yes, you’re going to be disappointed. But the movies just don’t want to tell that story, they want to leave that up to the viewers to fill in for themselves and focus on the characters.

    Not explaining something =/= not being logical. I can come up with ten ways for the galaxy to get where it is in two minutes.

  • William Dhalgren

    You’re conflating fan expectations for a beloved series with logical expectations for the state of affairs we’re being asked to accept. Forget all the shit about wanting to see Luke kick ass or Leia become a Jedi or any fan wankery. I’m just talking about, and I think Kemosabe too, the basic mechanics of the world. It has to logically fit with the films that came before or it doesn’t make any sense. And the state of the galaxy doesn’t make sense without some exposition on how and why it is in the shape its in. They built this problem into their narrative. It’s their job to solve it.

  • William Dhalgren

    The more I think about it, the more I think that a third Skywalker trilogy was just doomed from the start. It’s like a double edged sword. They probably needed the Skywalker story to center a revival of the franchise, but it’s superfluous and really countermands the mythology of the original trilogy (and the prequels). So much of this seems completely pointless, and, as Kemosabe aptly pointed out, why? Why is the galaxy in such a state? Well, the answer isn’t satisfying at all because the answer is: To make them sweet greenbacks. But, seriously, to be less cynical about it, there is no reason the galaxy is so fucked up except that it needed to be to tell the story they wanted to tell, which is essentially a rehash of the OT (with a bit of the prequels thrown in for good measure). There is no logic to it.

    I’m beginning to think this franchise was better left for dead in ’83.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I blame Abrams, I feel like the story they launched into just was not fleshed out (what does the first order believe in? Where did they come from? Who finances them? Who is Snoke?) and this film is just not fully able to pick up all those pieces. As such I forgive it some of its flaws and applaud what it does do.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I don’t really think Johnson is any of those things, but either way I prefer risky rather than safe.

  • ResonanceCascade

    Expectations is the magic word here. All Star Wars fan have opinions about what is interesting in this world. I’m OK with the circumstances of the First Order and Resistance being a mystery for now, and I didn’t get the impression that these groups have been at it since ROTJ.

    It felt to me like the First Order was a very recent phenomenon and the Resistance had only sprung up because the Republic was once again bogged down by too much prequel-esque bureaucracy to do anything about it.

  • William Dhalgren

    Yes, all of the contemporary jokes felt anachronistic and stuck out like sore thumbs. I laughed here and there, but I don’t think any of the SW films after ROTJ have quite gotten the humor of the original trilogy. And it’s not hard to find examples of people doing it right. Rebels GETS Star Wars humor. Give those guys the money to make a fucking SW movie, I say.

  • ResonanceCascade

    Ya can’t win ’em all. If we’re going to get a Star War every year, there’s definitely going to be winners and losers for different people. I thought this one was the winningest one yet, though it’s definitely not perfect.

  • William Dhalgren

    I read somewhere recently that there might be some tension behind the scenes between Abrams and Johnson. I feel like we got two extreme personalities to helm these films (Abrams as too respectful, careful, and reverential; Johnson as flippant, destructive, and arrogant) – neither of which was ideal.

  • William Dhalgren

    These are very valid criticisms. I totally agree with you.

  • William Dhalgren

    Man, to say I was disappointed would be putting it mildly. Pissed off might be more accurate. I’m working on gathering my thoughts in a review.

    I feel like I just got dumped. By Star Wars.

  • William Dhalgren

    Yeah, but the reason why it works to ignore the whys and hows behind the state of the galaxy in the OT is because we had no expectations of what the world we were being introduced to should be. The reason we need context here is because there is an expectation that the Rebellion/Republic would have its shit together 30+ years after they blew the shit out of the Empire.

  • Fans preconceived notions about franchises. It happened with the prequels.

  • ResonanceCascade

    I’m surprised at how uninterested both of these movies were with explaining how the galaxy got to where it is right now. They’re really character focused and they pretty much leave the politics up to the imagination.

    I don’t dislike it, but it is surprising and feels very much like the OT, where we don’t know how the Empire rose, who the Emperor is, what happened to the Republic, etc. It very much takes the point of view of viewers who are new to the series, rather than fans who know where it all left off in ROTJ.

  • Kemosabe 🦇

    Really enjoyed the movie. Have some issues.

    Who is Snoke? Why won’t anyone ask who he is when he’s talked about? I hope we get an answer and I don’t like this being dragged out.

    Is Rey ever going to get any actual training? Or is she a full-blown jedi now just because?

    Why is The Resistance so tiny and the First Order so large and well-equipped? Shouldn’t The First Order be the smaller of the two groups? The Empire fell and the Rebels won. Th Rebels should have grown in strength and the Empire should have gotten weaker. The Resistance is 400 people and a handful of ships in an entire galaxy and most of that got wiped out in this movie so maybe they’re like down to 100 people at most. It just feels really odd to me.

  • ResonanceCascade

    “I didn’t like either of these things, so they must be similar!”

  • ResonanceCascade

    I don’t even think JJ Abrams knew who Snoke was. That dude and his mystery boxes.

    If I were Lucasfilm, I’d make him into a Celestial/Force Wielder from The Clone Wars. He physically looks exactly like one, and it would explain his age, power, and why no one had ever seen him before.

  • Really looking forward to Ben and Rey smashing in part 9. I called that shit.

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Luke is a grump
    Snoke is a chump
    A porg is a lump
    The resistance took a bump

  • Snoke is a joke
    Kylo is woke
    He bisected that bloke
    And gave Hux a good choke

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I mean, I didn’t like Dawn of Justice, but that’s a weird comparison.

  • People that didn’t like it are comparing it to Dawn of Justice, like that’s a bad thing! Makes me even more psyched Chris Terrio’s writing Episode 9!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/277af66e32a4b353c91ae8a9d21534b7e7c8886dee085e1f954ba797f901b065.gif

  • Cap_N_Jack

    Biggest twist: the death of Snoke. Fantastic concept, doing away with the Emperor tribute act in order to pave the way for something new, but it was clearly not what Abrams had in mind and the fact that we have no idea who Snoke was feels weird…

  • Cap_N_Jack

    I agree with all of this. Although my least favorite moment was probably finn’s really weirdly contemporary quipping while fighting Phasma. Also, Yoda’s joke about ‘page-turners’ felt weird.

  • ResonanceCascade

    Least favorite moment? The jokey opening exchange with Poe and Hux. Favorite moment? Probably Luke’s astral projected lightsaber fight with Kylo. Also, the Rey/Kylo fight and the controversial Leia space flight.

    I thought the revelation of Rey’s parents was perfect.

    I didn’t think any of the new characters were scene stealers. They were fine. Nothing amazing though.

    Overall, I thought it was better than TFA and Rogue One. It was bold, and if that pisses some people off, oh well. Keep Star Wars weird.